Hi, I recently found my Step-dad's Father's WW2 Mk.1* Brodie. Remembered Today: Yes would be very interested to see the other documents, menu and any other informationyou have as these might help with identifying the letters on the helmet. The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt by way of a steel split rivet. engaged in defending high profile public building such as the Houses of Parliament. Click to enlarge the picture 04-08-2013, 01:49 AM#4 homerj109 Re: Help Identifying Brodie Helmet I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. It may have been refurbished by the Americans during the 1930s and had new mounts added, which they did to both British and American Helmets, if you can find a makers mark you will know for sure. Though, my opinion is that the helmet is an American M1917. The M1917 Brodie Helmet was manufactured by the Columbian Enameling and Stamping Company (Terre Haute, IN, USA). The asbestos pad is quite safe it is only the thickness of thick paper, my only doubt is the chin strap mounts they are, riveted the British used split pins. . And use of the M1 helmet did not end in 1945; far from it. if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) } The chinstrap isn't a British one, or at least it's not a wartime example. If its a British helmet, could it be one provided to the Americans before American helmet production caught up? (Salonika) Territorial Force Nursing Service who died 01/03/1918 KNOWLE (SS. in the late 1930s - 1941 and the M1 helmet and liner was phased in 1941 - 1942. dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. leon21 2nd Bn. Thus, in one guise or another it shaped the design of military helmets all over the world for much of the twentieth century. The Brodie helmet, called Helmet, steel, Mark I helmet in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the U.S., was a steel combat helmet designed and patented in 1915 by the Briton John L. Brodie. British Mark Mark I Brodie U.S. P17 helmet The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. Though we never call it that. I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. dailyinfo[30]=' B/469 Worker Charles BARLOW Australian Munition Worker who died 30/01/1918 NORTH SHEEN CEMETERY United Kingdom ' 2nd Bn. Available on our website now, Danish m23. shells were re-used by the civil defence services. dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' depaor014 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. Get 5% Off With Coupon Code itscold Offer Ends 3/1/2023, The Brodie to the M1: The Evolution of Americas Most Famous Military Helmet. Upload or insert images from URL. It is a much heavier and more robust design. Head Gear POOR MANS MILITARIA. loop/lug was first used on the British MKI* and MKII helmets. E.G.Budd. It was the standard military issue helmet, albeit with some slight alterations to it, for American soldiers in the Korean War and the Vietnam War, as well as a whole host of smaller conflicts and deployments down to the early 1980s. The British cleverly dealt with this problem by issuing their men with a Hessian cloth cover. dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom ' Incredibly, given that the M1 was being used by some advanced militaries as recently as the 1990s and is still employed by a few countries today, the development of it dates back to the First World War in the mid-1910s. NPB. First questions and then the story. And later the Germans. By holding a British shell in one hand and an American shell in the other the weight difference is obvious. Designed to protect from shrapnel shells bursting overhead, it could be pressed from a single sheet of hardened steel, but left the lower parts of the head less protected. var mydate=new Date() var fontend = '' Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). The shape of the shell tells me its WWI manufacter. The American P17 chinstrap bail negated the flaws of the British design. The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. the problem is that, all the war time services such as the ARP, NFS, and various Civil Defence Units as well as the Home Guard all were. I need help identifying some markings on the second world war brodie. Royal Warwickshire Regiment who died 12/03/1918 ST. It's easy! The liner can always be a replacementthough that style screams WWI and should be held in place with a rivet.. The dark green color and cork coating (to reduce the possibility of ight reflection) is very close to what the first M1 helmets had applied. New Zealand Engineers who died 13/03/1918 ST. POL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France ' A few have turned up with manufacture marks similar to those found on British shells A number of firms made P17s for the U.S. Military. It was also in 1916 that the British began supplying large numbers of Brodie helmets to their allies. While the US Manufacturers developed their own M1917 helmet and got production, up to speed, very few of the M1917s made it to the Western Front before the Armistice. If so I know the US Navy used red painted helmets on their ships fordamage control teams. if (month<10) month="0"+month During the war, the Company took part in fire watching duties, manned a gun at the exit to Westminster Underground Station and undertook a wide variety of training schemes. Easiest well to tell if the shell is Brit or US is by how the chin strap bails are held in place. Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? Over time this would nullify any anti-reflective properties the finish possessed thus putting the wearing in danger. dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. blue brodie helmet(or not) identification; Display your banner here. Depending on your recommendation and initial read, I may take some light sandpaper to the brim and see what I can find. He worked in Eastgate House, Exter. British chinstrap bail The chinstrap bails on a British Mark I and a U.S. P17 are of a completely different design. I think it would be a perfect fit alongside the gas masks in the game, especially with the hype for Battlefield 1 and all. The shape of the helmet was also somewhat similar to the Brodie in that it was based around a circular steel cap which provided maximum protection to the top of the head, with the rim protecting the ears and upper face. W. = Westinghouse Electric Co - Pennsylvania. $3,000. Nearly three million of these M1917 helmets were produced by the time that the war ended in November 1918, clearly indicating the importance of an effective military helmet for the American armed forces going forward. After 1936 a new helmet was produced by McCord Radiator Co, the helmets were stamped with 1 or 2 digit numbers, and 1 letter on the rim, all the helmets have the same paint and texture when in factory condition unlike the modified. If it's a highly desirable unit it drives the price up. The helmet has been varnished. whitman75 6 years ago. The Brodie helmet, called Helmet, steel, Mark I helmet in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the U.S., was a steel combat helmet designed and patented in 1915 by the Briton John L. Brodie. Nevertheless the Brodie name persisted for many years afterwards. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France ' The brim is quite shallow in width & the lining system comprises a padding fixed to the crown comprising layers of felt, lint, and cotton wool. The original and very distinctive steel helmet adopted by Great Britain was designed and patented in 1915 by its inventor, John L Brodie. It was superseded by the Personnel Armor System for Ground Troops or PASGT, a combination type of armour consisting of a ballistics vest and a combat helmet. Worchester Pressed Steel Co - Worchester - Massachusetts. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' Are there any markings on the helmet shell - between a rivet and the brim usually? The design was esentially the same in WW2, but there are a number of specific differences between the two and once you recognise these differences, such as the width of the brim (wider in WW1), you find you can tell one from another very easily. With New Vegas, I luckily was able to use the NCR Trooper Helmet, but there is no helmet like that in this game. The final push in using the Brodie was a variant which was produced in 1936 and which saw widespread service by the Norwegians during the German invasion of their country in the spring of 1940 and by the British Expeditionary Force in France several weeks later. The Brodie was the first modern military helmet developed by Britain. WW2 BRITISH ARMY Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs - 26.62. The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. Eventually all his knowledge will be distilled in a book. Both the British and American helmets have marking stamped into the steel on the underside of the helmets skirt. This dilemmaseems to become particularly problematic for the British reenactors who after spending hundred of dollars on their kit accidentally purchase an American helmet because they dont know the difference, or for collectors who want one or the other represented in their collection. Discussion board for World War 1 reenactors. and 34th Coy. With a liner most HS shells are running around $150.00 on most sites. So just a shell with an unknown unit marking probably . These have some 115716872255 Although the helmet shells do look the same they do not feel the same. As for suppliers I found another list with a few more names that were missing from Scott's list. A 'no helmet' bare head case was used as a control (denoted BAR). First issued in 1915, The M-15's distinct shape and effectiveness on the battlefield paved way for future . The British 'Tommy' I'm sorry I could not find a post 1916 stamp (see below for two examples of post Aug 1916 stamps. dailyinfo[2]=' 8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. New user here. Just sold the ARVN ranger helmet. 11-30-2022 Local Time 06:08 AM The "4B" is a McCord Radiator stamp for the M17A1 (aka "Kelly") helmet. I'll ask about the bail rivets. What pattern of helmet is this, and given the unusual markings, is it a valuable relic, or is it some fantasy piece suitable to be stripped and restored to issue green? After many experiments, Brodie came to the conclusion that a relatively simple form of helmet would offer reasonable protection, be serviceable and cheap to produce in large numbers.